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Eric is absolutely correct! DOE2 is not required nor is it the only
available software that meets data submission requirements. ASHRAE and the
U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC) do not officially sanction or certify
software programs. As for LEEDS, the USGBC only determines the acceptability of
data for LEED project submissions. Other commercially available software
programs such as Carrier Corporation's HAP meet all data acceptability
requirements of LEEDS and the ECB method from ASHRAE 90.1-2001.
Regards,
Craig J. Gann, P.E.
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Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's
Group
I am not a definitive authority, but I do not believe
that ASHRAE 90.1 or LEED requires DOE-2.1e exclusively. Section 11.2.1
of 90.1-1999 & 2001 requires "a program such as, but not limited to, DOE-2
or BLAST." It then outlines required capabilities of the simulation
program. eQUEST is DOE-2 based, so
I believe that it is acceptable for 90.1 compliance and LEED
scoring.
Eric Christensen
Econergy
International Corporation
3825 Iris Avenue, Suite 350
Boulder, CO
80301
Phone: (303) 473-9007
Fax: (303) 473-9060
E-mail:
christensen@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Website: www.econergy.net
We use DOE2.1e in our shop. Primarily because
of the significant verification against measured data that has been done on
DOE2.1e over the years. The other reason is that ASHRAE 90.1 and in
particular LEED require simulation using DOE2.1e.
Here in
Canada, the Model National Energy Code, Performance Option required simulation
using EE4 (a free compliance tool http://www.ee4.com ) that used the DOE2.1e
engine from Hirsh and Associates. Similar to eQuest, you can use EE4 to
quickly generate an input file then edit it for you particular
situation.
We use eQuest extensively, sometimes using the wizard mode to get
started, sometimes not. We began using DOE2.1d when it was first available
on PC platforms and kept with it through PowerDOE and the `never officially
released DOE2.2. We often use eQuest to create BDL code which we then edit
with a text editor. I must admit I m sometimes surprised to hear of
modelers (often in Academic situations) still working with 2.1e when `2.2 is
a significant improvement and is absolutely free via eQuest.
I, like John, am
holding off on EnergyPlus until I can justify the tremendous expense of
training my people on a new product that is still not ready for prime time.
Eventually, I hope, but not yet. I m guessing five years before there is a
product that is enough better than eQuest to justify the investment. (And
that s assuming eQuest doesn t continue to improve).
I imagine that there are numerous eQuest
users that are not aware of the BLDG-SIM forum. Too bad it would be nice to
see more interaction around the eQuest program. Perhaps SCE/EDR could
provide an information blurb about this forum on their web site or to
everyone who down loads eQuest.
Mark E.
Case, P.E.
etc Group,
Inc.
Salt Lake City,
Utah
-----Original
Message-----
From: postman@xxxxxxxx [mailto:postman@xxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mike Roberts
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003
1:03 PM
To: BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [BLDG-SIM]
eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group
John,
There are at least a few of us out here using
eQUEST/DOE-2.2 on a regular basis. I started using DOE-2.1 back when
it was Cal-ERDA 1.3 (about 1979) and have followed the Hirsch upgrades
through PowerDOE and eQUEST. I have only seen a Beta version of eQUEST
3.0, but it looks very interesting.
My specialty is energy simulation and I use
eQUEST and the "Detailed Data Edit" Mode on almost all of our energy
simulation jobs. JJ Hirsch and Associates are looking for ways to
offer more support, but probably at a price. I can offer some support,
free if it is trivial (to me) or at my regular rates if it is more
involved. Our web site is http://www.roberts-engineering.com/.
Hopefully, you will find some useful information there.
I think the User Group is a good idea, though
you already have a discussion forum through BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx. Let me know how
much interest you get.
Mike
- -----Original Message-----
- From: postman@xxxxxxxx [mailto:postman@xxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Aulbach,
John
- Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:43 AM
- To: BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx
- Subject: [BLDG-SIM] eQuest/DOE-2.2 User's Group
- May I ask how many people are attempting to use eQuest/DOE-2.2? I
would like to form a User Group for exchanging questions and war stories,
as the creators of the program do not apparently have funding for very
much support (Sad).
- I have taken Marlin Addison's a few times, with the last version I
have (3.0) FINALLY beginning to make sense. I have used DOE-2.1 since 1984
and have some small familiarity with the intent, switches, and boundaries
of the program. Until a decent front end come along for EnergyPlus, this
is the way I am going.
- There claims to be over 7,000 downloads of the program. Anyone getting
into the "world past the Wizards" yet?
- John R. Aulbach, PE, CEM
- Project Engineer
- Sempra Energy Solutions
- 555 West Fifth Street
- Mail Location 27F3
- Los Angeles, CA 90013
- Tel: (213) 244-8551 Cell (213) 219-4875
- "Sempra Energy Solutions is not the same company as SDG&E/
SoCalGas, the Utilities. Sempra Energy Solutions is not regulated by
the California Public Utilities Commission, and you do not have to buy
Sempra Energy Solutions products or services to continue to receive
quality regulated service from the Utilities."
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