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[BLDG-SIM] Heat Pump COP



Good point Fred, for larger unitary packages and for dialing-in energy savings rebate studies.  I did say 'arguably', and yours is an insightful observation.  Scanned all 90.1-2004 but didn't see the reference you alluded to -- if you can be more specific please advise.
 
Given the small heatpumps my firm is accustomed to installing, coupled with the fuzzy level of design at which we're doing our preliminary energy studies, the simplification of discounting fan operation when compressors aren't running I think is well within the error bars of the overall study.
 
Which doesn't provide any comfort from the realization that this business gives one plenty of cause to ask where picking the theoretical flyspecs out of manufacturer's published pepper has crossed a threshold of mind-numbingly diminished returns!
 
Regards
 
Brandon Nichols, PE, LEED® AP
Mechanical
HARGIS ENGINEERS

600 Stewart Street

Suite 1000

Seattle, WA 98101

www.hargis.biz

 

d | 206.436.0400  c | 206.228.8707

o | 206.448.3376  f  | 206.448.4450

 
 


From: BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx [mailto:BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Fred Porter
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:31 PM
To: BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [BLDG-SIM] Heat Pump COP

The method cited below only gives correct results if the heat pump fan operates intermittently on a call for heat/cool, and if the fan as installed runs at its ARI-tested power. Otherwise this method greatly under-estimates fan energy, at least for constant speed fans. This is mentioned specifically for App G/ECB models either in the Standard itself or in the UM.

 

--

Fred

 


  

From: Brandon Nichols [mailto:BrandonN@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:47 PM
To: Fred Porter; BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [BLDG-SIM] Heat Pump COP

 

 

Good point, John -- but there may be an arguably easier way to not double-count fan energy...following is a reprint from the DOE2 documentation:

 
COOLING-EIR

The Electric Input Ratio (EIR), or 1/(Coefficient of Performance), for the cooling unit at ARI rated conditions. The program defines EIR to be the ratio of the electric energy input  to the rated capacity, when both the energy input and rated capacity are expressed in the same units. This EIR is at ARI rated conditions, i.e., without correction for different temperature or part load.

Note:  If you include fan electric energy consumption in your value of COOLING-EIR, then you should set SUPPLY-KW/FLOW to zero (and SUPPLY-STATIC, SUPPLY-EFF and SUPPLY-DELTA-T should be omitted). Otherwise, the supply fan electrical energy will be double counted. For commercial systems the default value of COOLING-EIR includes compressor and outdoor fan energy, but not indoor fan energy.

HEATING-EIR

Electric Input Ratio, or 1/(heating Coefficient of Performance), for the heat pump. This EIR is at ARI rated conditions, i.e., without corrections for temperature or part load. The program-calculated HEATING-EIR does not include fan power and heat. This keyword is appropriate only to HP, RESYS, and PTAC systems. 

Mysteriously, the HEATING-EIR documentation makes no mention of the fan energy double counting issue.  But if you're consistent and use 3.41 divided by the manufacturers published EER for the cooling EIR, the inverse of the published COP for the heating EIR, and zero-out the supply fan energy as described in the documentaion ...  then Bob's your uncle, right?

FWIW, that's the way we do it...

 

Brandon Nichols, PE, LEED® AP

Mechanical

HARGIS ENGINEERS

600 Stewart Street

Suite 1000

Seattle, WA 98101

www.hargis.biz

 

d | 206.436.0400  c | 206.228.8707

o | 206.448.3376  f  | 206.448.4450

 

 

 


  

From: BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx [mailto:BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Fred Porter
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:23 AM
To: BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [BLDG-SIM] Heat Pump COP

Yes and no. The energy is "removed," but the COP improves because the fan heat had a COP of 1.0, and is included in the rated gross kW in and Btuh out. I think the T24 ACM may have a "method" or formula.


  

From: Aulbach, John
Sent: Thu, 10/11/2007 3:25pm
To: BLDG-SIM@xxxxxxxx
Subject: [BLDG-SIM] Heat Pump COP

Folks:

 

In eQuest, the Energy Input Ratio (EIR) can be derived from EER or COP given for a unit or from a Standard. To correctly model such a unit, one must subtract the fan energy for the unit to obtain the EER (EIR) of the compressor only. This improves the input from, say, a COP of 12.3 to 15.

 

What about in the case of the heat pump heating COP? Must one subtract out the fan energy here as well, thus "worsening" the COP for the heating side?

 

I cannot find anything written on this subject.

 

Thanks.

 

John R. Aulbach, PE, CEM

Project Manager

Nexant, Inc.

100 North Barranca, Suite 820

West Covina, CA 91791 USA

Phone: 626-430-9054

Fax: 626-430-9060

email: jaulbach@xxxxxxxxxx

 

 
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